The Year I Read the Bible with Laurie Larsen

Episode 12: The Bible Has Cliffs Notes??

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Have you ever noticed as you're reading along through the Bible, there will occasionally be a bullet-pointed summary list to rehash a bunch of events that have already occurred?  This reminded Laurie of the old Cliffs Notes she used in school (in the olden days ...) 

Laurie's guest today is the very insightful Jody Stallings.  Jody is a very busy teacher, columnist, author and church youth worker, in addition to being a husband and father.  He's very well versed on literature and the Bible and added bonus: he's absolutely hilarious!  Join Laurie and Jody as they discuss this concept along with other topics!

Learn more about Jody:  here's his website and a link to purchase his 4-book Shadow Point series.

Hi, I'm your host Lori Larson, and this is the year I read the Bible. Welcome a Lifelong Christian. I thought I was familiar with the Bible, but in 2023 I accepted the challenge of reading the whole thing, cover to cover. Whenever I encountered something I didn't understand or wanted to learn more. I jotted it down, but I kept reading to stay on schedule. Then I reached the end Imagine Confetti rating down on me, and a huge sigh of relief. I had 40 topics to research in 2024. I started diving into all those topics. I did research, I wrote blogs and I shared them with whoever might wanna learn too. And in 2025, the project continues. I published a book containing all my essays, and now a podcast. Is there something you can learn from that dusty book that sits on all of our shelves? Yes. Yes, there is. Let's dive into The year I read the Bible. Today's episode is called The Bible has cliff notes. Do you know what CliffNotes are? Careful. Your answer to that question will reveal a clue to your age. CliffNotes are a series of summaries and analyses of works of literature intended as study aids to students. They were originally created in 1958. By Clifton Hillgas. He began by partnering with his wife Catherine, writing succinct summaries of 16 Shakespearean plays in his basement in Lincoln, Nebraska, and publishing them in slim paperback booklets. By 1964, sales reached 1 million booklets annually. Wow. After a full career creating CliffNotes on hundreds of works of literature. In 1998, IDG books purchased CliffNotes for$14.2 million. Thanks to Wikipedia for these details. But one thing about students, they're smart and innovative. Can you guess what the eventual use for CliffNotes was? Intended as an aid for students. They eventually evolved into a substitute for reading the actual book. I wonder as an English major myself, how many literature tests were taken and passed after reading Cliff notes instead of the book itself. When I took on the challenge of reading the Bible in a year, I wanted to read every book. Every chapter, every word, and I did, I wanted to read it all so I could experience the flow to notice nuances and pick up on parallels that I wouldn't know without reading the entirety of the Bible itself. Of course, there are thousands of books that were written to help the reader interpret and understand the Bible. Reading the Bible is not actually necessary if you read those books and you can actually buy CliffNotes of the entire Bible. But did you know that the Bible itself offers something similar to CliffNotes? It's true. As I was reading along, I made a note of several locations that gave a really good summary of what had already happened in the Old Testament, like Cliff notes. You can read these summaries to either replace or enhance your reading of the entire book. I'll leave that decision up to you. The first one I encountered was in Nehemiah nine, starting in verse six. In this section, the prophet Nehemiah is addressing the Lord God, listing all the great acts God performed for his people. Israel, the creation of the earth, choosing Abraham, naming him Abraham, making a covenant with him to give his descendants the land of their enemies, noticing the suffering of his people in Egypt, sending signs and wonders against the Pharaoh. Dividing the sea to ensure that Pharaoh released them from slavery, descending from Mount Sinai, delivering his law on stone tablets to Moses feeding his freed people bred from heaven and quenching their thirst with water from a rock. The stubborn people disobeying his commands and casting themselves an image of a calf, which they worshiped, but God didn't abandon them. 40 years, he sustained them in the wilderness. The chosen people taking possession of the land, God promised, and their children becoming as numerous as the stars in the sky, God delivering them into the hands of their enemies when they were disobedient and rebelled against God. Lots of cases of God forgiving and providing, and the people doing what was evil in his sight. But whenever the people ask for forgiveness, God provides it. Another summary that I really like is in Acts chapter seven, in this chapter, we meet a man named Steven. In Acts six verse five, Stephen is described as a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit A few verses later, he's described as a man full of God's grace and power, performed great wonders and signs among the people. But as much as he was loved and respected by Jesus's new church, he caused great opposition from a group of Hellenistic Jews who began to argue with Stephen, who were the Hellenistic Jews. They were a sanction of Judaism during the time of Christ. And after that, were located in Greece, spoke in Greek and read the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible. To Hellenized something is to make it more Greek. To adopt more Greek cultures and ideas. Dissensions arose between the Hellenistic Jews and the Hebraic Jews who were located in Israel, the original home of Juddaism. Anyway, back to Stephen and his cliff notes of the Old Testament. The Hellenistic Jews didn't like this well-spoken and respected Stephen representing the new way as the new Christian Church was referred to at the time. They argued with Stephen, but they couldn't stand up against his wisdom. Acts six 10. So they secretly persuaded some men to spread rumors about Steven. That he was heard blaspheming Moses and God. Mission accomplished. Stephen was seized by the teachers of the law and brought before the Sanhedrin, which was the Jewish legal counsel at that time. The entirety of Acts chapter seven believed to be written by Luke shares Stephen's speech to the Sanhedrin, which is basically a cliff notes of the Old Testament. Here are the topics he covers. God appears to Abraham and entices him to leave his country, promises him that his descendants will inherit the promised land. Abraham becomes the father of Isaac and Jacob. Joseph gets sold into slavery by his brothers famine strikes in Egypt. Joseph's brothers see Joseph during their trip for grain, Moses' birth and Pharaoh's daughter taking him and raising him as her son. Moses now 40 years old, defends a fellow Israelite and kills the attacking Egyptian. An angel appears to Moses in a burning bush. God's own voice speaks to him. I am the God of your father's. Moses is made the ruler and deliverer to lead his enslaved people out of Egypt. The tabernacle of the Lord is with them in the desert, made as God directed Moses. David becomes king after Moses Solomon. David's son builds the permanent temple for God replacing the tabernacle. A few things happen after Steven provides his cliff notes version of the Old Testament. Number one, he proves that he is very knowledgeable about Hebrew history. And number two, the Sanhedrin get very angry. Verse 54 begins, when they heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him. Later in verse 57, we learned that the elders and listeners rushed at him, dragged him out of the city, and began to stone him. I would hate to think that modern students who use CliffNotes to take tests. Would have to pay such a terrible price. That was a joke. Let's end this session with a prayer. Dear God, we thank you for your word. We thank you for all of it, and we also thank you for the summaries and supplements that have been written to help us learn and understand it. Please help us when we read your word, to open our minds and see and absorb the meaning so that we can learn more about you. Amen.

Laurie:

And I am back, and I'm here with a very dear friend of mine, a very talented author, and very busy guy. His name is Jody Stallings. Jody, welcome and thanks for being on the podcast.

Jody Stallings:

It's a pleasure. Thank you for inviting me.

Laurie:

Why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself and then also how you and I became acquainted with each other.

Jody Stallings:

Well, I live in Charleston, South Carolina, Mount Pleasant, South Carolina. It's a little suburb. I've lived here all my life. I am a middle school English teacher. I'm also the director of a teacher advocacy organization. I also write a newspaper column about education. I'm also a writer. I'm also an adjunct, part-time professor with the American Public University system, and I'm also a community Christian youth director. So

Laurie:

So,

Jody Stallings:

busy, sir, and, and I'm a husband I am a father, although my children are grown now, so that's not as complicated as it was when they were home. So I think that's enough about me.

Laurie:

well, I did warn you guys he was busy and look what I mean. My gosh. Okay, and how did you and I become a.

Jody Stallings:

Through American Christian fiction writers, I'm a writer of Christian fiction, and I write for the newspaper as I just said, and I saw an article in there one day. and it had your picture and some of the other members in there saying, we've got this great Christian writers group, so if I didn't write for this paper, I probably wouldn't have even read that article. And I was like, this sounds like something I would like to be involved in. And so it was, and I think that was about probably four years ago maybe. Um, that

Laurie:

Yes. When I first moved to South Carolina from Illinois, I really wanted to join a CFW American Christian Fiction Writers and you can join the national organization, but the real value. In my opinion is in the local chapters. And so I was researching it and the closest local chapter was in Anderson, South Carolina, which was like a four hour drive for me. And I'm like, well, how dedicated am I to this thing? Would I drive out like the night before and get a hotel room once a month? Uh, no, I wouldn't. So I went ahead and started a new chapter on the eastern part of the state. So that's what we are, and we are now. Yeah, it is a great group. We're in a year of growth, amazing growth for quite some time. We had between oh eight and 12 members. Now we're up at like, what, 18, 19? Um, I.

Jody Stallings:

In the.

Laurie:

I know. It's awesome. So anyway, I was so pleased to meet you through that. And I've also read several of your books. So why don't you tell us a little bit about your books that you have, available right now, or what kind of writing you do.

Jody Stallings:

I started writing, a book of inspirational gothic romance, we'll call it, about 30 years ago, I started them and,

Laurie:

years ago.

Jody Stallings:

30 years ago because I love to read and I kept looking for books. I could not find things that, you know, same way with food. Like, I like peas, but I want'em with this special spice on'em. You know? So I wanted books that had. A lot of good guys and characters we could get behind. And were kind of in the model of soap operas, which I grew up with, watching with my mom. You know, she was a stay at home mom and that's how she occupied herself during the day. And then in college, me and some of the guys would watch soap operas, as weird as that sounds. And I couldn't find books that were like that, that were inspirational, that were Christian. So I was like. I'll do it myself. So they're, they

Laurie:

Yeah.

Jody Stallings:

the 1970s in a small southern town. It follows a minister and his family and it's romance and there's a spooky element to it as well. And so for the 12 people who are interested in those sorts of stories, go look it up. It's called Shadow Point, the Shadow Point series. And you can, you can also find it on my website, jodi stallings.com.

Laurie:

And they're very intriguing and they are different than anything I've ever read before, but I think I've read three of'em and I really, really enjoy them. And just one little side note about soap operas. When I was in college, I started watching all my children. Did you ever watch that?

Jody Stallings:

was days of our lives, but I was familiar with all my children.

Laurie:

Well, a bunch of us would go through the cafeteria line, grab our tray, and then go sit in front of the TV in the dorm parlor and watch all my children. And there was one guy in our group whose aunt was an actress on all my children. It was so exciting to get the inside scoop all the time.

Jody Stallings:

related to one of the children. That's pretty cool.

Laurie:

That's right. I think her name was Ellen Chandler, or that was the character name I, I don't know the actress's name.

Jody Stallings:

opera. Uh, Ellen Chandler,

Laurie:

Yes. Ellen Chandler.

Jody Stallings:

Stefan Caines, it's a very, got a very soap opera ring to it.

Laurie:

That's right. Okay. Well, why don't we take a look at this essay that I just finished reading a few minutes ago about how the Bible contains cliff notes. Um.

Jody Stallings:

a plus by the way, as a professional essay grader, you get a,

Laurie:

Yeah,

Jody Stallings:

a hundred.

Laurie:

you have a lot of experience grading the essays, don't you?

Jody Stallings:

Right.

Laurie:

Well, one reason why I thought you were a perfect guest to talk about Cliff Notes is that you are an English teacher, and I know I had to pull out Cliff notes every once in a while when I was an English major in college. But what experience do you have with CliffNotes in your classroom? Are they still being used? Are they being abused, by students?

Jody Stallings:

I would say print matter in general is not being used by any student I'm familiar with in the in middle school. But there are still CliffNotes online. You can still look those up. There's still SparkNotes. That's kind of the off-brand CliffNotes that we grew up with.

Laurie:

I got heard of those.

Jody Stallings:

have a stack of CliffNotes, about 50 books high in my closet. I can reference in any given moment.

Laurie:

Wow.

Jody Stallings:

honestly now AI does all the work. They just type in the title and the author, they say, give me a summary. And the AI will spit out a summary and they can even ask the AI questions about it. Like, you know, remember Cliff notes? We would have to go through and find out chapter 12. Give me more on chapter 12, they can get down into the nitty gritty with ai. So unfortunately, I think Cliff is dead, Sparky is Uh, AI is alive and well and killing

Laurie:

Oh,

Jody Stallings:

that. So.

Laurie:

I didn't even think about AI taking over for, well, of course that's what it does. You say ai, what's the plot of this novel or whatever, and it just plops it out for you. Wow. Well, in Nehemiah nine. The prophet Nehemiah is addressing the Lord God listing all the great acts that he had done to date. So it becomes a bullet list of all of God's achievements, which must have been useful to the Jews of the day, to remember all the works that God had done for them. What's your thoughts about that, about Nehemiah listing all that stuff out?

Jody Stallings:

I think it's great. I do this for my wife all the time. I try to give her a list of all my accomplishments. You know, don't remember I cleaned the litter box last week, and don't forget that email I helped you to find in your deleted box. want her to know all of the good things that I have done so that she will love me. But Nehemiah kind of turns it on its head, right? It's not, here are reasons why you should love us, God. It's here are reasons why we love you. You know, as an English teacher, I go back to relate everything to poetry and literature. Elizabeth Barrett Browning. How do I love thee? Let me count the ways. Let me give you all the ways. Let me give you all the reasons why. I think everybody loves, the love chapter in Corinthians. You know, love is patient, love is kind. Love keeps no record of wrongs, right? That's important for us to know in our relationships. We don't keep an account of all the wrong things, but we do keep a record of rights. We do keep a record of all the blessings that we have, you know, count your blessings. And so Nehemiah kind of delineates those here. And I think that's important for us always to do, not just to go through, here are the answered prayers he has done for me in my life, but here are all the things he has done for us, the human race. so I think it's critical. That's unconditional love. This is, here are all the reasons why we love you. God, forget about everything else. So, I think it's a great chapter.

Laurie:

You think about, the Jews of the Old Testament and, they're always kind of messing up, right? And I say the Jews, but really it's humans, you know, it's not just Jews obviously, but that was the religion of who God was, talking to and, interacting with. And sometimes you think back to that timeframe and that race, and it's like they had all these books of the Bible to read it was a lot of material and you think, well, why did they continue to, worship gods that weren't God? Why did they continue to do this and that? But if you think about it. They probably weren't completely educated with the Old Testament expectations, and they needed something short and concise like this to just either teach them for the first time or maybe some of them couldn't read or, had no exposure to the books, the Torah and all that. This was like a, concise way, just like cliff notes of a novel. To give it to'em to get it in a format that they can understand and remember.

Jody Stallings:

Yeah, they weren't walking around with the Bible app on their phones that they could just go through. I don't know what the situation was, but. They had to remember all these things through oral tradition and through oral history. And so those kinds of lists of all the things like we can never forget all of these things that God has done for us. That had to be vital for them as a culture. and, and you're right, we look at the Old Testament and we just roll our eyes like, oh, these stupid Jews, what is wrong with you people? We would've been exactly the same place. If we had been in the situation, we could try to say we're better than we do, but we would've done this. I would've been calling for Barbi two if I had been there. You know, that's the,

Laurie:

Oh

Jody Stallings:

the reality of it. And

Laurie:

yes.

Jody Stallings:

a savior

Laurie:

Okay.

Jody Stallings:

That's why we need him to come and help us, and to save us and to guide us. So, no, you're absolutely right.

Laurie:

that's a good point. Later on in my, the year I read the Bible, I have an essay about what, about me? What if I were walking along the road, in the Galilee area when Jesus was ministering? Would I have been. An immediate follower, would I have believed him or would I have been suspicious? Like, oh, come on. You know, he's not following all the things that we expect of a Messiah. He's probably just another false messiah, like all the others. I would hope that, I would believe, but there's no way to know that, as I was reading the Bible, I tried to give them a little bit of grace of, we know so much more with 2020 hindsight than they knew at the time.

Jody Stallings:

Yeah, I, I try to take it for granted. I wouldn't have, and I know my nature, like I am a conservative by nature. I walk into a church, I see an electric guitar, and I'm like, what satanic temple am I in? You know? So. I know if I saw this guy out here preaching some new message, I know for a fact I would've been one of the skeptics. There's no doubt in my mind I would've been, and you're exactly right. When I'm trying to witness to somebody, when I'm trying to talk to somebody who maybe is an atheist or maybe who doesn't believe, you have to extend the same grace to them that I would like to have extended to me, if I had been on the side of those dusty roads being one of the harassers and being one of the ones. Throwing out insults. We are tough nuts to crack by nature. And that's why to me it's always been the synergy of a broken heart and a Holy Spirit that is willing to come in through the cracks and meet us halfway. The prodigal son, right? He didn't wait for the son to get all the way there. The father went out and ran and met him halfway and thank God he is a God who does that for us.

Laurie:

Yeah.

Jody Stallings:

uh, if, if we're gonna tell ourselves that we would've been one of his followers right away, we're fooling ourselves. Even the disciples, the, it had to be the Holy Spirit. It had to be him working in the crevices of those hearts, in the cracks of their hearts to get them to join him.

Laurie:

What you're saying is so amazing and when you mention the disciples, how many times do the gospels record when the disciples are bickering and arguing among each other and not understanding and asking a million times? And how many times have we said. Well, they're Jesus's disciples. You would think they would get this, they've been with them for three years I immersed in what he's saying, but they were human and they were humans of that, first century. Yeah, it.

Jody Stallings:

we have the benefit of seeing how the movie ends more or less. I was watching Casablanca with my daughter, and to me it's one of the greatest movies ever. And she's watching, I'm like, Hey, hey, should not talk during this part. You wanna listen to this part right here? This is an important part. And then later when she's like, well, who's that guy? I thought that guy's like, weren't you even paying attention to the movie? Like, well, this is easy for me to say because I've already seen the movie.

Laurie:

You've seen it multiple times.

Jody Stallings:

Right, but they were in the middle of it. They didn't know where this was going. And yet obviously they were gonna misunderstand things. And, that's important for us to remember too, that the movie is not over yet. We're only at the intermission. Jesus is coming back. And if we're gonna look at the book of Revelation and try to admit to ourselves, we think we know what that's going to look like. We are sadly mistaken. Go back to the Old Testament. If you read just the Old Testament, would you have predicted this is what Jesus would've looked like? This is what he would've sounded like. No, it isn't. So we have to have our hearts open to the Holy Spirit, we gotta trust that, god, when you come back, we will know it, when we see it, whatever that looks like. And we

Laurie:

Yeah,

Jody Stallings:

diluted by the preconceived notions that we have placed in our own minds because they might not look like that.

Laurie:

Yeah. It's his plan. It's not our plan. We have to pray for the guidance. And the understanding that, okay, this is true and this is real, and we're gonna follow. So that's amazing. That's great. Comments. Okay. So in the New Testament we also see an example of Cliff notes. In the book of Acts, there's a character named Steven. He had, provided Cliff notes for the entire Jewish faith, which I listed out in the essay in shortened form, but. All his knowledge sure didn't end well for Steven. He ended up getting stoned at the end. Can you share any other information about this character of Steven, than what I mentioned to enhance what we already talked about.

Jody Stallings:

Not that anyone will be interested by this, but apart from Jesus, Stephen is my favorite character in the New Testament, so I'm

Laurie:

You are kidding.

Jody Stallings:

there. No, I've always loved Stephen. We know just little enough about him to be able to put ourselves into his shoes. Right? And it was always funny, like growing up with my kids. They were in this group called Ana and every year they would have dress up as your favorite Bible character. And I would always try to get my son, Hey, why don't you dress up with Steven? He's a good, and it's always funny'cause you go in and bible night and they're all the Bible characters look the same like everybody has on the same outfit. Like who are you? Oh, I'm

Laurie:

They,

Jody Stallings:

Well, he.

Laurie:

they just pass the costumes around every year.

Jody Stallings:

that's it. So that part is funny. But no, I've always loved, Steven because his CliffNotes version sort of a twist ending, right? I mean, Nehemiah was like, this is how great and wonderful God is, and God, you are great and wonderful. Stevens is like, this is how great and wonderful God is. And by the way. You people have been messing this up and you are continuing to mess it up and this is proof that you're messing it up. So he has that little twist at the end. What fascinates me about this version, I always look, for little details and the detail about this is there's that one moment where they look at him before this thing even really gets going his face is different. There is like this light across his face. There is something different about Steven. And that has always fascinated me what is going on through his mind? Is this a the touch of the Holy Spirit? Is this God moving in him or is this just a guy who knows he has already won by losing? this a guy who has heard the story of Jesus and knew how that ended and was smart enough to know it's gonna end the same way with me, it's gonna be okay. Because if this is where Jesus wants me to go, I'm gonna follow him. Even if I don't, even if it's not where I necessarily want to go, I know I'm going to a better place. And so he knew, even though he was gonna lose according to their standards, he had already won because Jesus was going to take him in. But it's like that verse, whoever wants to save his life will lose it and whoever loses his life will save it. I don't know what was going through his mind, but Steven embodied that he knew to save other lives. He might have to lose his own. And that's exactly what he did. I would say the way he phrased it, it was not at all provocative, but it didn't hold anything back. and this goes to a saying of Thoreau, that's always been important to me. Any truth is better than making. We are so, socially conscious and we're so worried about offending people that sometimes, it's fine to ameliorate the way you're talking to someone. I don't wanna be in their face and I don't wanna push them or insult them. But I don't want to go so far that I hold back. Truth.

Laurie:

Yes.

Jody Stallings:

never did that and Stephen did not do that here. He

Laurie:

Yeah.

Jody Stallings:

the way in on truth.

Laurie:

Yeah.

Jody Stallings:

I remember in college, I used to watch on Sunday night, after the soap opera era, we used to watch this thing called Prime Minister's Questions on C-Span. And it was from

Laurie:

Wow.

Jody Stallings:

And it's very fascinating because the Prime Minister would get up and all the people on the other side of the aisle would pepper him with these questions and they would try to get him, and I remember the Prime Minister at the time was a guy named John Major. And he was way down in the polls and they were going to basically kick him out, and there wasn't really anything he could do about it. And so he was always kind of this stiff, formal guy,

Laurie:

Mm-hmm.

Jody Stallings:

it was like it gotten so low to the point that he already knew he was gonna lose the next election. So he got up there and instead of saying, let me say the right things, he was like, let me just lay down the truths. And it was the most electric, 30 minutes of politics I had ever seen because here was a guy, he was getting up there, he was smiling, he was laughing, he was saying what was on his heart, and there was just no restraint. That's how I see Steven in this, section of Acts. He was gonna get the truth and he wasn't gonna worry about the consequence.

Laurie:

That's great. When I prepare the. Notes for this episode, I'm gonna look up that section of X and link it in so that people can actually go back and read the whole story of Steven. It's not very long. It's.

Jody Stallings:

all in that chapter, I think.

Laurie:

Yeah. I'll definitely do that so everyone can remind themselves and I'd love to go back and look up that the change in his face or his countenance. We know that when Moses was in the presence of God, he came back down the mountain and his entire countenance was changed.

Jody Stallings:

At the transfiguration, and Jesus, his visage changed too. So, yeah, I don't know what that is. It's just, it's very tantalizing little detail, but obviously something was different about him. The other thing about Steven too, that's important to me. There's a line from a James Russell Lowell poem. The Way has been lit by burning martyrs. That has always been a profound line to me to

Laurie:

Mm.

Jody Stallings:

that this, this the way

Laurie:

Mm-hmm.

Jody Stallings:

gospel of Jesus Christ has come to us. through the deaths of many people in the past that sacrificed their lives to us, starting with Jesus Christ, but then going through people like Stephen through most of the disciples,

Laurie:

of the disciples. Yeah.

Jody Stallings:

people today are still giving their lives, and I've never had to. To give that, but that's important for us to remember that, pride in our country because of all the people who've died to protect it. It's the same thing of our faith, and Stephen was the first person to really give his life after Jesus for the sake of the way

Laurie:

That's amazing. Is there anything else that you wanted to share about this topic before I say thank you and we, let you get back to whatever else you were doing today?

Jody Stallings:

No, I didn't remember that passage in Nehemiah. But I always relish the opportunity to reread about Steven. And maybe I'll dress up at the next A CFW meeting, maybe we'll have a costume day for where

Laurie:

I hope you do. I hope you do well, Jody, I know that you are on the docket to come back and be another guest in a couple weeks. I think this is week 12, and you're coming back. Week 14. So two more weeks and you'll be back with us. I look forward to that. Thank you so much for your insight, your humor, and for sharing so much about yourself and about your knowledge. I was really impressive. I, I,

Jody Stallings:

Thank you.

And that's it for today. Thank you very much for being here with me on The Year I Read the Bible Podcast. We'll be back with another episode next week. If you enjoy this podcast, please do all the normal things to spread the word: like it, review it, share it with your friends. If you are interested in additional The Year I Read the Bible resources such as the book, the video channel, and the blog, I will certainly include the links in the show notes. And I'd love to hear about your own journey to read the Bible cover to cover. Have you done it or are you doing it right now? Please reach out to me and let me know how it's going. Until next time, it's Laurie Larsen with The Year I Read the Bible. Bye.

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