Episode 16: Who Were the Authors of the Gospels? (Part 2 of 2)

Welcome back to the second of Laurie's 2-part series on Who Were the Authors of the Gospels?  Today she covers Luke and John.  From debating who Luke was referring to when he addressed "The Most Excellent Theophilus" to why John repeatedly referred to himself as "the one Jesus most loved," you will learn all you ever wanted to know about these two far-reaching gospel writers.

Next, Laurie welcomes back inspirational and informative guest Robin Stearns Lee, back from her first appearance in episode 13. Robin shares such wonderful insight about both Luke and John, and being a very prolific reader, she discusses many resources which are linked here in the show notes in case you want to research more about them.

The Chosen tv series

The Case for Christ by Lee Stroebel

Heaven by Randy Alcorn

Transcript

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Hi, I'm your host Lori Larson, and this is the year I read the Bible. Welcome a Lifelong Christian. I thought I was familiar with the Bible, but in 2023 I accepted the challenge of reading the whole thing, cover to cover. Whenever I encountered something I didn't understand or wanted to learn more. I jotted it down, but I kept reading to stay on schedule. Then I reached the end Imagine Confetti rating down on me, and a huge sigh of relief. I had 40 topics to research in 2024. I started diving into all those topics. I did research, I wrote blogs and I shared them with whoever might wanna learn too. And in 2025, the project continues. I published a book containing all my essays, and now a podcast. Is there something you can learn from that dusty book that sits on all of our shelves? Yes. Yes, there is. Let's dive into The year I read the Bible. Hello everybody. I hope you're having a very nice early fall day, and I'd like to welcome you back to the second part of this topic. Who were the authors of the gospels last week? We talked about the first two, Matthew and Mark, and so today we're gonna finish up that two part series with. Luke and John, A quick summary. The first four books of the New Testament are called the Gospels. They document the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and they were written by Matthew, mark, Luke, and John. In this two part essay series, I'm covering what we know about these four important men. Part one covers Matthew and Mark now will continue to study the final two. First, Luke. Luke was not a follower of the living Jesus. There is no reason to believe that he ever met Jesus in the flesh. As he opens up his gospel, Luke makes it clear that he is not writing it based on firsthand knowledge. Luke one, one through four in the new international version says, many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. With this in mind, since I myself, have carefully investigated everything from the beginning. I too have decided to write an orderly account for you most excellent Theopolis, so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught before we go any further, let's try to answer this question. Who the heck is the awful? Theopolis is mentioned just twice in the New Testament, both in books written by Luke. This Luke chapter one mention is the first one, and then the name appears later in the acts of the Apostles, A book Luke also wrote, there are several theories among Biblical scholars about who this man was and what relationship he had with Luke. Most excellent Theophilus. The title most excellent was a Roman Title of Respect and generally refers to a Roman official if Theopolis was a Roman official. It's possible he was Luke's financial benefactor or sponsor while Luke was off evangelizing to Gentiles about the growth of Jesus' church, A Gentile or a non-Jewish person. Luke's phrase so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught gives the impression that Theopolis may be a Gentile with whom Luke has studied about Christianity. Luke wants to prove to Theopolis that what he has learned about Jesus is in fact true. My thanks to Bible info's article, who is Theophilus in the Bible, books of Luke and Ax for this info. Or maybe he was not a person at all. Some people think that Theophilus was not actually an individual person. The Greek word Theo translates to friend of God and could be, and all exclusive term Luke uses to refer to the audience who will read his books. According to this idea, Luke simply meant that they were all loved by God regardless of who the mysterious Theophilus was. If anyone, the main point of this essay is who was Luke? Luke lived in the first century ad and he was a very learned and educated man by trade. He was a physician. We know that because the Apostle Paul writing to the new Colossian Church says, our dear friend Luke, the doctor sends greetings. That was Colossians four 14. From the way Luke opened up his gospel, we know he dug deep into written papers and interviews with others in order to get an honest, accurate document of Jesus's life. This thoroughness would've come naturally to him after medical school and practice. Luke hooked up with the Apostle Paul when Paul was sent out to grow the Church of Christianity to the Gentiles. In fact, he was a frequent travel partner to Paul as he traveled around on his missionary trips. Paul mentions Luke being with him in several of his letters to the early churches, including Philamon 1 24. Two Timothy four 11 and two Corinthians eight 18. The other reason we know Luke was heavily involved in growing the church after Jesus was gone was that he wrote the Acts of the Apostles, which is the book that documents that movement. And unlike the Gospel of Luke where he doesn't claim to be present for the events he's describing in Acts, he writes in the first person. I, we, et cetera, because he was there starting with Acts 16 verse 10, after Paul had seen the vision, we got ready at once to leave for Macedonia, concluding that God had called us to preach the gospel to them. Between his gospel and the Book of Acts, Luke ended up writing 27.5% of the New Testament. Luke has won his place in Christian history for being a devoted spiritual leader and documenter of the early church. I'll close this section about Luke with this quote from Ryan Nelson's 2019 article. Who was St. Luke, the Beginner's Guide. Quote for someone who wrote so much of the New Testament. We don't know very much about Luke, but while the details of his life have largely been lost to history, Luke's contribution to Christianity and the world live on in the Gospel of Luke and Book of Acts without this doctor turned historian. We would have massive gaps in our understanding about what happened after Jesus's ascension. But thanks in no small part to his careful attention to detail and meticulous documentation. Nearly 2000 years after his death, Christians around the world are still following in the footsteps of the original apostles End quote. The final gospel writer is John, like Matthew. John was a member of Jesus's tribe of 12 and witnessed his early ministry firsthand. Mark three 13 says, Jesus went up on a mountainside and called to him those he wanted, and they came to him. He appointed 12 that they might be with him and that he might send them out to preach and to have authority to drive out demons. Then in verse 17, James son of Jedi and his brother John. To them, he gave the name Bonners, which means Sons of Thunder. So we see that John and his brother James became Jesus's disciples together. They weren't the only set of brothers who joined the 12. Simon and his brother Andrew were also chosen earlier. In the book of Mark chapter one, verse 19 and 20, we read when he had gone a little farther, he saw James son of Zedi and his brother John in a boat preparing their nets without delay. He called them. And they left their father Zedi in the boat with the hired men and followed him. Do you wonder why these two brothers dropped out of their family business, leaving their father on his own and immediately followed Jesus? They would've have to have a compelling reason to do so. We get a clue of that in the Book of Luke chapter five. Both sets of fisherman, brothers, Simon and Andrew, James and John, were fishing all night long, were exhausted, frustrating, and a little desperate because they hadn't caught a single fish. They were smelly, angry, and probably fighting among themselves, but Jesus, who was standing beside the lake, preaching to a gathering, stopped what he was doing and told Simon and Andrew. To go back and try again. Reluctantly they did, although they didn't expect any change in their luck. But verse six records this amazing scene When they had done so, they caught such a large number of fish that their nets began to break. So they signaled their partners in the other boat to come and help them, and they came and filled both boats so full. That they began to sink. Who were those partners? James and John. All four fishermen brothers experienced Jesus's miracle and dropped everything to go follow him. Why does Jesus call James and John the Sons of Thunder? The Bible doesn't tell us why, but this is a subject that many have theorized about. Here are some. James and John May have had loud and boisterous personalities and speaking voices. James and John May have had such enthusiasm and zeal for preaching that their voices carried on the air like thunder. Maybe they were puffed up or arrogant because Jesus had given the disciples the ability to heal the sick and cast out demons. This theory came from Mary Oleic Meyers article, who are the Sons of Thunder in the Bible, or they were fast to anger. Luke 9 51 through 55 tells this story, which may be proof to this possibility. As the time approached for him to be taken up to heaven, Jesus resolutely set out for Jerusalem, and he sent messengers on a head who went into a Samaritan village to get things ready for him. But the people there did not welcome him because he was heading for Jerusalem. When the disciples, James and John saw this, they asked, Lord, do you want us to call fire down from heaven to destroy them? But Jesus turned and rebuked them. Any of these reasons could be true. Why Jesus gave them the nickname Sons of Thunder, but I think it's pretty cool that Jesus gave them a nickname at all. I love nicknames among close friends. They're born often out of love and affection, a sense of camaraderie when close friends call you by a nickname. You feel accepted, like into a family. One thing I chuckle over regarding John is he often refers to himself as the disciple that Jesus loved. John 1323 in the new international version says one of them, the disciple whom Jesus loved was reclining next to him. John wrote that about himself. Another reference. John 19, verse 26. When Jesus saw his mother there and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her Woman, here is your son. And here's another one, John 20, verse two. So she, Mary Magdalene, came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don't know where they have put him. What do you make of John repeatedly describing himself as the most beloved disciple? To me, it comes across as attention seeking. You know when kids from a big family assert Mom likes me the best? It's often the point of view of the sibling who feels the opposite, but asserts the unpopular position to raise his own self-esteem in her article. Why is John the Disciple? Jesus loved? Hope Bollinger provides her take on this issue. We can throw egotism out of the question. John didn't use this name to draw attention to himself. The opposite, rather seems more likely. John wanted to make himself anonymous. Those who read the gospel, who had born witness to the events would've known John's identity from some key factors. He points. For instance, he doesn't mention his name explicitly and mentions he leaned on Jesus' bosom during the Last Supper. But John appears to draw the spotlight away from himself in the narrative by removing his name and putting in a nickname instead, a trait someone loved by Jesus. End quote, John wrote a great deal of the New Testament in addition to his gospel. And three epistles that bear his name. First John, second John and third John. John wrote the entire book of Revelation, the final book of the Bible. Jesus chose John to receive a visit from an angel to reveal to him the events that will eventually happen. It's the ultimate final prophecy. Only Luke and the Apostle Paul penned more of the New Testament than John did, and he played a major role in the early church. Now that we've learned more about these four authors, it's clear that each gospel compliments the other and provides a multifaceted look at Jesus's ministry and teachings. Let's end this portion with a prayer. Dear God, we've learned a great deal about the four men who authored the books that teach us about Jesus, and we know the learning will never be complete. We thank you for new insights and concepts that help us to grow ever closer to you and your son. Amen. And now stay tuned for. A conversation with a very knowledgeable and inspirational guest. I.

Laurie: 17:16

And we are back and I am so excited to welcome back to the podcast for a second time. Robin Lee. Robin, thanks for joining us again.

Robin Lee: 17:26

Thanks, Laurie. I'm excited to be here.

Laurie: 17:28

I didn't scare you away with the last episode.

Robin Lee: 17:32

No, it was great. Lots of fun.

Laurie: 17:33

For those listeners who may not have met Robin before, go back and listen to episode 13, divorce and the Modern Christian. She was an excellent guest on that episode and she also, shared with us her background and. Some of her writing projects and also how she and I became good friends. So I'll go ahead and list in the episode notes, links to some of your writing, Robin. But yet for any listeners who maybe didn't catch that last episode, I encourage you to go back and look at it.

Robin Lee: 18:07

Thanks for.

Laurie: 18:09

You're welcome. Okay, so we are on the second half of a two part essay series about the gospel writers. Last week, we covered Matthew and Mark, and this week we're covering Luke and John. So let's talk a second about Luke. there's no evidence given that the gospel writer, Luke, ever even met Jesus in person. However, he was a companion of the Apostle Paul throughout the entire book of Acts, and he was instrumental in the creation of the first Christian Church. We know that he was a doctor. And therefore he was very educated and he was a very good writer. So what are your thoughts about Luke as a gospel writer?

Robin Lee: 18:59

I am intrigued by him just as you are. I know that he was a doctor and as a writer myself, I admire somebody who has good writing skills, and because he was so educated in a doctor, he put details in his gospel accounts that sometimes didn't appear in the others. So I was intrigued by that, but also that he didn't personally walk with Jesus as some of the other gospel writers did. But I see him more as a historian, like an early investigative reporter like Lee Robel was in his case for Christ. He's going back to all the accounts that he can find of those who did walk with Jesus. And he is writing about that. He's researching it. So I really see him more as a historian and I love that about him.

Laurie: 19:45

Sometimes I hear criticism from maybe non-Christians, or people who are struggling with their Christian faith that boy, the gospels can't be true because they conflict each other. They contradict each other, and some of them, they don't have any knowledge of Jesus personally. What do you think about that?

Robin Lee: 20:05

I kind of discount that. I think all the different writers bring a different aspect. I had a teacher one time in middle school who did an interesting experiment. She had a student come into her classroom, grab her purse, and run out the door. And of course, while the boys in the class are ready to go after him, she goes, no, stop. Stop. Everybody. Tell me what you saw. And she went around the room and she asked for a description, everything that they saw, and they were completely different. Then she brought the kid back in and to show us how wrong we were about how he was dressed. What his characteristics are. So I think it's very interesting that you have a cast of characters talking about the same thing. Think about the family you grew up in. I was one of five children, and when we talk about things from our childhood, we all have a different aspect of it. So I think it's wonderful that the gospel writers bring their different aspects and I think the things that are, might seem contradictory are not really that important.

Laurie: 21:02

No, it's more point of view, I think it was John who said towards the end of his gospel that so much more happened when Jesus was alive than we could ever fit into this book. So. know, there were a lot of things that certain gospel writers picked to focus on, and other gospel writers picked something else, but then there were a lot of things that were never documented. Wouldn't you love to hear those things?

Robin Lee: 21:31

Exactly, and you have to remember too that, the Bible is God inspired. Each of the people who wrote, those accounts were inspired by him, and they were inspired in different ways. So he used all their different attributes, all their different characteristics to tell the story.

Laurie: 21:47

I also don't really have any problem with the timeframe that they were written. Even Matthew and John, the two that. Accompanied Jesus on his earthly ministry. They did not document their gospels until later, much, much later. but you know what? They were busy they were busy following Jesus and then starting the Christian Church. So maybe decades later, they documented this, and then obviously the ones that weren't with Jesus, maybe it was decades later as well, but I don't think it would be hard to remember all the important, topics that they would eventually write about.

Robin Lee: 22:29

And that's true of every story. When you think about something that happened to you years ago and you tell the story of it, you might embellish it a little bit. Not on purpose, but just because of your memory of it. So when something's written years later, there could be a little distortion in the memory of it. But the facts are still the facts.

Laurie: 22:46

Right. I agree. Luke was very, good writer, very good documentarian. He obviously gave up, working in his chosen field as a doctor to. Document the whole Christian faith. He was the one who wrote most of the acts of the apostles, if not all. I think actually someone else was writing in the beginning, if I'm not mistaken, because you can tell. When Luke takes over the documentation of that book, because he starts saying, we, us, in fact, Luke, was on the shipwreck with Paul when he was, imprisoned and they were transporting him, and the, shipwreck happened. Historians have said that is the best documentation of a shipwreck that has been in history.

Robin Lee: 23:37

It shows you how important details can be and the Book of Acts is so important to us as believers today because the formation of the church in some ways, we've gotten so far away from how. Church was meant to be and it, brings us back to where we should be, how we should be as the church.

Laurie: 23:54

very good point. Well, let's move on to the final gospel, which is the Gospel of John, who was one of Jesus's first disciples when he was finding his fissures of men. I chuckle when John continuously refers to himself as the one who Jesus loves the most, or the beloved disciple. In the essay I described, I find that a little bit like. Me, me, me, like, bragging, but the research that I did on it felt that that was the opposite reason, like he was trying to take the focus away from himself. What, are your thoughts about John's, description of himself as Jesus's most beloved?

Robin Lee: 24:39

I agree with that. I believe he was humble and that was his, humility of, kind of downgrading his own involvement. I think there was the episode where they ran to the tomb and he's talking about how the disciple Jesus loved ran faster or got there first, or whatever. But I, I just think he was humble. And when you think about all the disciples who are around Jesus, you know, we hear that old quip that says that God, doesn't call the equipped. He equips the call, meaning, he's not gonna expect you to have the tools to do whatever he asked you. He's gonna give them to you. I think it was kind of the opposite with the disciples. I think he intentionally chose these men who had attributes. That would help. They were gonna become the first evangelist after Jesus left. So these attributes that they had were so critical and for John to be so loved, so humble, and look who he gave his mother to

Laurie: 25:34

Yeah,

Robin Lee: 25:35

at the foot of the cross. So yes.

Laurie: 25:37

Yeah, that's so true. So now, John was not the only one in his family that Jesus, called to be fishers of men or a disciple. His brother James was also, he took both of them. They were out fishing, they were, helping their father with his fishing business. and joined the 12, and Jesus nicknamed them the Sons of Thunder.

Robin Lee: 26:03

I love that.

Laurie: 26:04

I love that too. What do you think was meant by that?

Robin Lee: 26:07

I don't even know. But can you imagine, having that title, sons of Thunder, can you imagine being a race car driver and it's on your car or being a famous boxer and it's on your shiny jacket? I just think it's awesome, that he called him that and who knows? I think he, endeared himself to his disciples with those kind of nicknames. You can try to visualize when you're reading the gospels, what these men were like. But I think, the series, the chosen that, Dallas Jenkins has created, has done a wonderful job where you can visualize and see these men and their attributes. So,

Laurie: 26:42

love the series.

Robin Lee: 26:44

oh, I do too. And I think, they needed to be impulsive and thunderous, because they were gonna carry on the church after Jesus left. And, if he tongue in cheek nicknamed them that because of their impulsive nature or their thunderous character, I just think it's awesome that he called him that.

Laurie: 27:02

I do too. There's something affectionate about giving someone a nickname. Not the same, but you know, as grandparents in a generation where the grandparents aren't just called grandma and grandpa. A lot of us get to pick our own grandma name. I have two adorable grandsons and my. who's the father and my daughter-in-law, who's the mother when she was pregnant, she said, so you guys decide what you want your grandparent names to be. And I'm like, oh. So I started thinking about it and I live at the beach and the other grandparents live kind of in the. say in the woods, but more in the country, and so I thought, well, maybe I'll be the beachy grandma. So we nickname it, be gee, so I'm be gee. And that's just a fun thing that, the boys call me, whenever they see me, they'll say, bg,

Robin Lee: 28:00

I love that too. When I grew up, our grandparents were never in the same place at the same time, so we knew them as grandma or grandpa and whatever their last name is.

Laurie: 28:08

Yeah,

Robin Lee: 28:09

And while we were with them, they, we just called them grandma and grandpa, but away from them, as we referred to them, it was Grandma Barnard and Grandpa Stears or whatever. So. We didn't have all those cool names. In my case, I have, six grandchildren and three live near me and three live away. So the ones near me call me Gaga and my husband's papa. But the ones who live away call us grandma and papa fishing because when they come visit us at our house, they go fishing in our pond.

Laurie: 28:37

yeah.

Robin Lee: 28:37

think it's really cool how, those nicknames.

Laurie: 28:39

associate it. They gave you that nickname?

Robin Lee: 28:42

Exactly. So, it's affectionate. Jesus only had three years with these men, so to form the bonds that they had and the affection that they had. And I also think about the love he had for them as the same as, the love a mother has for their children. You love all your children, but, there's different parts of them that you love and different reasons that you love them. And I think Jesus demonstrated that in his love for his followers too.

Laurie: 29:10

Absolutely. And he was trying to. Teach them that they could, eventually represent him, but he was also just trying to do life with them and, share all the experiences that they would have together.

Robin Lee: 29:26

Uh, I think he chose them for their, attributes, but he would occasionally have to rein them in. Think about how many times he had to call Peter down from doing something so impulsive.

Laurie: 29:35

yes, that's right.

Robin Lee: 29:36

knew their weaknesses.

Laurie: 29:38

And you mentioned the series, the Chosen, it's done so much for me. To watch the series and then in connection with the Bible to try to, okay, here's how the producers of the show interpreted this scene. Let me go back and read it. And it's like, yeah, okay. That answered some questions for me that helped me to understand what it was like those three years wandering around through the Galilean countryside, trying to teach and share and, get people to believe, wasn't easy.

Robin Lee: 30:13

No, but yeah, does a great job of that for sure.

Laurie: 30:18

Okay. So John, in addition to writing the Gospel of John, he also was the one that Jesus chose to reveal the future plan to, which became. The book of Revelation when John documented the, dream or the visit from the angel. Jesus must have had a great deal of confidence in John to write such an important document for all of eternity to read. What do you think about that?

Robin Lee: 30:47

I agree with you totally. And I just finished a very extensive study of Revelation in my Bible study fellowship group. It's a book of the Bible that sometimes we're scared to read. You don't even hear many messages or sermons about it, but it actually has a verse that said, we will be blessed if we read the book of Revelation. And not only just read it, but read it aloud. I wonder why it even says that.

Laurie: 31:13

that's the only book of the Bible that has that statement that we will be blessed just by reading it.

Robin Lee: 31:21

Yes. And so I think that shows a lot about, the relationship Jesus had with John and the confidence in him to reveal that because it was gonna be. A massive revealing not only a tiny bit of what things are gonna be like in the future, but still massive and hard to understand. And somebody like John was the perfect one, I think, to take that. And he didn't really try to interpret it. So many people tried to interpret all the meanings from Revelation instead of reading just what it says.

Laurie: 31:55

Very difficult reading compared to the whole rest of the New Testament. It's very imagery based. It's so different than. The gospels and the epistles and, the acts of the apostles. It takes a, very special read to even understand what the heck it's talking about.

Robin Lee: 32:14

It does, but it has such great comfort for believers in it. I remember I was studying the book by Randy Alquan called Heaven. I was getting ready to present it as a bible study in my small group, and he wrote that book because of his experience with his dying mother and sitting beside her and telling her about heaven. Well, as I'm studying the book, my own mother. Became sick suddenly, and I was able to go with her and did exactly what he did. I read her those last few chapters of the book of Revelation, and I'll never forget her saying over and over. Wow. Wow. As I described some of the things that we're gonna be in heaven. So it's a book that we forget too, that gives us great hope and great comfort. The whole message is hope.

Laurie: 33:00

Yeah. Sometimes I think the message gets lost in the whole imagery of, the teeth and the colors and the swords and all that stuff. But everything does represent something that, okay, once you understand what it is, then. You realize it's a message of hope.

Robin Lee: 33:20

And when you think about the things that are going on on our earth today, you know, we always say, oh, things are always worse today than when I was a kid. It's all building up and everything is happening, but it's all not just happening. It's everything is falling in place is what has been described in Revelation. So to me, it's kind of thrilling to know that we're part of what's the Bible's calling those last days.

Laurie: 33:44

I totally agree with you. Probably every generation has said that, but I feel like we have more evidence that, things are starting to come to an end. We

Robin Lee: 33:55

you hear about the terrible storms or the fires or the tsunamis and the earthquakes, it's all, predicted in Revelation that some of these things would be happening in those last days. So I just see it as a book of, hope and comfort and God's not gonna give us everything. It's too overwhelming for him to give us everything that's gonna happen, and everything that we're gonna see in heaven is just a glimpse. So I think hope is the whole basis for Revelation. And John was the perfect person to write it. And, look at where he was put, on this island and given no distractions, he could just see these visions and write it, it was perfectly orchestrated by God the father.

Laurie: 34:36

Yeah, and making the. Statement that the end of times are coming. It's just our incentive to continue to stay close to God. Stay close to Jesus. Work on your faith. Don't lose hope, and talk to those people in your life who have lost hope to try to bring them back into the fold.

Robin Lee: 34:59

That's the most important part I think. And that's the message in Revelation is you don't want anyone that you love and know to be left behind. So sharing what God's done in your life, it made me be a little bit bolder in that in my own faith. I've always been reluctant. I think I was in my history, remember church people knocking on doors and how offended people were by that. And it makes you back up yourself as a believer. But I think, studying Revelation has made me a little bolder in sharing my faith with others, not wanting them to be left behind.

Laurie: 35:31

Oh, that's so inspiring. Thank you so much for sharing about that. Well, Robin, it's been a wonderful, chat with you. Thank you so much for being willing to come on again and share your knowledge and your insight. You're just such an inspirational person. I love being with you and I love hearing your thoughts. And I, thank you so much for all your time today.

Robin Lee: 35:53

I was honored to be here. Thank you.

Laurie: 35:56

All right. You have a good rest of your day.

Robin Lee: 35:58

You too. Thanks.

36:05

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